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Neighbor Says Koullshi Wants to Be a Night Club

Tangierino Lounge went to the Licensing Board to get permission to add liquor to their smoking lounge.

, the hookah bar attached to on Main Street, wants to add hard liquor to its license so patrons enjoying a cigar can have Scotch with their smoke.

But neighbor Janet Cox of Harvard Street pushed back hard, telling the city's License Board the owner of the property hasn't worked with the community. At all.

"The neighborhood has not been supportive of this restaurant," said Cox, looking pointedly at manager Abdessamad Naamad, who sat a foot or two away. "He has never sat down with us. We are frustrated."

A is set for June 20 at the Mary Colbert Apartments. The License Board said it would hold off further hearings until after that meeting.

Cox charged that the place is turning into a de facto nightclub.

"Outside my daughter's bedroom, he wants to have a nightclub," she told the License Board on Wednesday.

Naamad calls his business a lounge, but Koulshi's website advertises nightly entertainment, including salsa dancing and belly dancing in addition to seven flat screen TVs for watching sporting events.

A lawyer for Naamad said Cox had called the cops several times about the property and that police had never issued them any violations.

Seamus O'Sullivan June 15, 2012 at 02:16 PM
Sorry Noreen - don't associate with Townies. Personal policy.
Sarah June 15, 2012 at 02:17 PM
I have to admit, Koullshi and Tangierino are far from being a night club. There is no room for dancing and just barely enough room for the belly dancers to dance by on a busy night. Everyone I see there is usually smoking a cigar of a houkka and relaxing with friends. I think they just want to expand their liquor license so they can provide therir down stairs patrons with the same libations they are able to receive upstairs. I truly believe that this is not a ploy to "sneak" a night club into Boston.
Joseph June 15, 2012 at 02:30 PM
Janet, this story is for you. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/06/14/conn-man-calls-911-because-deli-made-his-sandwich-wrong/
Sarah June 15, 2012 at 03:51 PM
These other postings, being disrespectful to Janet, are pointless. I think if there was more friendly dialogue, none of these issues would exist. Janet and Noreen..I would be happy to meet you for a pint but let's meet at Koullshi,ok? I live just around the corner...first round is on me:-)
Joseph June 15, 2012 at 04:30 PM
Just as pointless as Janet's argument for trying to stop an established restaurant from improving the level of service to their clientele.
Jimmy G. June 15, 2012 at 04:41 PM
Whats a matter Seamus cant hang with the ladies??? Scared are we ??? Dont associate with "Townies" ... How do you know Noreen Is? I know the truth but how do you if your above statement is true??Your new name on here should be "Seamus I just live here I am assuming and complain about EVERYTHING". So either you really dont live here or Seamus O'Fake is really not your name or maybe you are just scared of women??? Which one is it???
Janet June 15, 2012 at 05:23 PM
Please consider the history of the last 4 years: Tangierinos was a 90 capacity restaurant with a 30 person lounge that closed at 11 pm. A multi-million dollar expansion added an underground lounge and the establishment was described as a new hot spot open until 1 pm with seats for as many as 150 and standing room for 300. The restaurant stops serving at 10pm. A City license was sought for a disc jockey but so many neighbors showed up at the hearing that request was withdrawn. A request for a full liquor license for the underground lounge with last call at 1:00pm is now pending before the State licensing board. Hope the next move isnt back to the City for a license that allows the DJ.
Toonie June 15, 2012 at 05:28 PM
I don't believe my comment was disrespectful in the least. It's a fact...this is a city, she lives on a main road. Aside from the fact Khoullshi place is not and never will be a nightclub, she needs to accept that she lives in a place where peace and quiet may not exist at times.
Janet June 15, 2012 at 05:30 PM
I know this can look very different depending on where you live. I also appreciate that a conversation could bring about a solution because yes, we live in the City. So I hope you will come to the Charlestown Neighborhood Council meeting this Wednesday at the Mary Colbert Apartments 20 Devens St at 7:00. If you cant make it, send your comments to Bill Galvin who is the CNC chair of this meeting.
Toonie June 15, 2012 at 05:32 PM
I assume you mean 1am? And what if they do get a DJ for their underground club? They should have every right to do so. The fact that it's underground help the noise issue and if you're worried about people on the street....guess what, you live in a city!
Toonie June 15, 2012 at 05:36 PM
I live very near you. I don't feel the need to show up to the CNC meeting as I am sure things will work out as they should.
Janet June 15, 2012 at 05:36 PM
Janet 1:36 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012 Just want to be accurate ... the pending liquor license request is before the City's licensing Board. Really I hope everyone who can come to the CNC meeting on Wed night at Mary Colbert Apts will be there and those of us who cant, will send a note to Bill Galvin. No kidding the party buses that arrive and spill out people to 83 Main Street are something we need to negotiate! Hope the owner agrees.
Seamus O'Sullivan June 15, 2012 at 05:59 PM
I live right around the corner and have never once been bothered by the party buses or a gaggle of folks outside of the restaurants. Frankly, more people go to Figs on a given night than Koullshi/Tangierino combined. My only complaint would be the valets who are constantly double parking cars, but that's neither here nor there. I don't think you have much of a leg to stand on Janet. It's really not that bad.
Toonie June 15, 2012 at 06:03 PM
Agreed....and save some trees and stop dropping leaflets in my mailbox. Thanks!
Joseph June 15, 2012 at 06:19 PM
Sounds like a successful business. You choose to live on one of the only main roads leaving Charlestown, and you're complaining about the noise? This must be a joke. You are joking, aren't you Janet?
Joseph June 15, 2012 at 06:24 PM
The solution is simple. Move off of the main road Janet!!
Janet June 15, 2012 at 07:27 PM
Seamus I dont doubt for a second that where you are right around the corner is entirely different than it is for those of us directly across the street. Just to give you an idea ...the people below us and above us moved and many who are across the street from the valet area have invested in sound protecting windows like they use in East Boston near Logan (of course that works only when the windows are closed but it is a huge help). I do believe talking is the key. I asked the owner of Tangierinos after the licensing board hearing to meet with those of us who live across the street before Wed nights CNC meeting. He said he had to check his schedule & call me. No word yet. Sarah's comments gave me hope that the DJ license request may be behind us. If a smaller capacity lounge than was originally proposed is the plan then we arent as worried about people waiting in line on the street until 1 am but it is understandable that we need reassurance. Please know that I have always seen it as a beautiful restaurant. A couple of suggestions would be to create a lobby inside where patrons wait & valets come get them when their cars are out front. The menu could include a little description of the residential neighborhood so "quiet" on the street after 11pm is appreciated. Just some ideas that could make a difference to us. To make things work the dialog has to happen and continue with those who live so close to his business until 2 am seven days a week. Janet
Toonie June 15, 2012 at 07:31 PM
You think it's loud Where you are? Try living next to the Warren Tavern. It's noisy, but it is what it is. If it grows to bug me, I guess it will be time to move. I am certainly not going to call the cops, though!
Toonie June 15, 2012 at 11:41 PM
You two should find a cul de sac somewhere and move there.
Susan Wilson June 16, 2012 at 12:56 PM
I believe evryone is missing the point here: - Tangierino ownership is not behaving as a business interested inthe city but merely profiteering from its location in Charlestown: the well being of Charlestown's citizen or the city are of no concerns to them: They 're in to make money which in itself is perfectly fine but they will use any loophole ( or so they think) available to promote their agenda: -They were slapped with a labor department lawsuit and ensuing fines because they were ripping off there hourly wage employees on overtiome pay ( the good old differentition between upstairs ( tangierino) and downstairs ( Koullshi) company; - They are going around the smoking ban laws by offering guests who want to smoke the possibility of having dinner downstairs. - As for the full liquor license, I'm not sure why they are requiring it....in exchange for a big tip you'll get the drink of your choice, or you can get a drink upstair and bring it downstairs.....it worked like this when I was emoployed there.
Joseph June 18, 2012 at 06:01 PM
Susan, the point isn't being missed at all. Are you a disgruntled employee? You and Janet are trying to stop a business from catering to those looking for a classy lounge that offers smoking. Tangierino is catering to a market that is not being satisfied elsewhere. While I'm happy that restaurants and bars have banned smoking, I believe that there should be establishments that cater to smokers as well. Why shouldn't they be allowed the freedoms and comfort that us non-smokers have? As a Charlestown resident, if I want to enjoy a nice drink and cigar, I know exactly where I can go, Tangierinos. Stop trying to project your personal tastes on others. This is the United States. We're adults. We can make choices without the influence and help of others. You don't like the atmosphere, don't go. It's an amazing concept. Please don't tell others that they can't enjoy a martini or scotch, along with a nice Cohiba because you're anti everything bad for you.
Just a person! June 22, 2012 at 01:47 PM
Went to the meeting on Wed night! I have only one thing to say: Disgraceful! I don't know what was worse the guy from Monument St throwing the "F" bombs,and calling a young lady a s--- head, or The chairperson Bill Galvin, which I think has a personnel problem with this person. I saw five people get up and leave, and as they were leaving stated they were, "sick to their stomach" with the way this meeting was being ALLOWED to run! With the swearing and accusation's. Bill Galvin should be ashamed of himself,and recuse himself. The man I believe his name was Dave, should give a apology to all he offended with his foul language! This meeting was supposed to be about a license! Not about noise, sleeping, how much windows cost, or cab drivers beeping horns! A license that's all! The chairperson who supposed to be impartial was in my eyes a disgrace to his position, and as I stated before should recuse himself. I believe it a personal thing and nothing to do with a liscense at all ! Signed: Disgusted
Matt M. Casey (Editor) June 22, 2012 at 01:51 PM
Was anyone else at this meeting? Does this match what you saw there?
Noreen Manning June 22, 2012 at 02:27 PM
I was at the meeting. It was disturbing. It's one thing when people who have different opinions get emotional, but the angry SLAMMING of the hand on the table by Bill Galvin, who is supposed to be the MODERATOR of the meeting, was inappropriate and served to set a very hostile environment. I went to the meeting with an open mind (and hopefully to finally meet Seamus O'Sullivan in person). I left in disgust with my stomach in a knot.
Donna O'Brien June 22, 2012 at 02:52 PM
I am shocked that you would be so disrespectful to Ms. Manning. She is a well regarded member of this community and works tirelessly to continue to make Charlestown the place we all love to call home. My personal policy is that I don't associate with people who don't respect their neighbors. Noreen: don't waste your beer money on this guy!
Toonie June 22, 2012 at 02:54 PM
Bummer that the meeting went so poorly. Really though, there should be no reason for any of this. The place should just get their license and be free to run their business. The folks complaining need to suck it up and move or find another hobby and stop being such drains on society.
Joseph June 22, 2012 at 03:51 PM
Couldn't make the meeting. Was this tone set by residents against the license or proponents of Tangierinos receiving the license? When will the minutes be published? Was Bill Gavin slamming his hands instead of using a gavel to call order to the meeting? I'm confused. I'm aware if I was able to attend, I'd know the answers, but work always wins. What is the stance of the Charlestown Chamber of Commerce (Diane Grant)? They seem awfully quiet on this issue. Thank you for the additional information. I want my martini and cigar.
Robert McMaster June 22, 2012 at 04:57 PM
The Neighborhood Council should be eliminated as I believe this is one of the only neighborhood councils citywide! Isn;t that why we have a city hall, city councilors etc. The council serves no purpose but to move forward their own agenda's and try to intimidate attendee's as the chair did at this meeting. An old wise man who no longer is alive said many years ago that the town should put a slate together to run against every serving member of the Neighborhood Council and at the 1st meeting, abolish it!!
Charlestown joe June 22, 2012 at 05:40 PM
It seems that every meeting I have attended, that the CNC speaks first, then after listening to them, and what they have to say,all the residents that attend get 15 min at the end of the meeting to be heard! I believe the CNC has the cart before the horse! They supposed to be listening to the residents, not the other way around. My feeling is the same as Robert, get rid of them all! NO ONE should hold a position as long as the members on that board has!
Joseph June 22, 2012 at 06:29 PM
Amen Charlestown Joe and Robert McMaster. Amen!! I searched high and low for replies and quotes about this particular topic from council members and the CCC, and have yet to find anything. I searched the CNC website, where they say minutes will be posted after the meeting. Sept, 2011 is the last post. Take a look for yourselves: http://www.charlestownbusiness.com/cnc/cnc-minutesmonthly-meetings.html It says they will be posted the day after! Why aren't they keeping us informed as to the decisions they make about OUR TOWN? Why so secretive? Come on CCC - Support this local business!! Let's hear your voice!!

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