How about if you are on food stamps or WIC????? Ever thought about that in the context of WF?????

LBB, I am going to go ahead and assume that was a sarcastic question. If it wasn't, then I am still laughing. It is that very thought process and sense of entitlement that plagues this country. Those with foodstamps/WIC receive assistance from the government and now they feel their community should bring them the right grocery store? Sounds like a good deal for them!! How about the folks that pay the ridiculous amount of taxes each year so that Foodstampd/WIC exist get to shop for fresh food in their own neighborhood and those that are using the WIC/Foodstamps go find a store that accepts them.

Toonie,

Honest question: do you feel that the poor are a burden? Do you roll your eyes anytime they dare speak out of turn or ask for anything?

@Owen C - Not at all, but I did roll my eyes at your condescending question. In my opinion, there are enough handouts these days and decisions shouldn't be made solely on the accomodation of people that are on WIC/Food Stamps. The market will drive the appropriate business that should be brought to a neighborhood/community.

Toonie,

There was no condescension. I was responding to the tone of several of your posts regarding the financially disadvantaged. What's interesting is that I haven't read a single post on here from a "hand out" recipient complaining that the decision on the proper grocery store for Charlestown. Those complaints have come from people who presumably just don't want Johnnies to leave.

I don't classify what the financially disadvantaged receive as "hand outs" because I have never walked a mile in their shoes and can't imagined what it is like to have to survive off of government subsidies.

Preach on, Owen. You're in the Coast Guard (thank you for your service, btw) and you're not a "yuppie" - we get it. I was simply responding directly to LBBs post about the consideration of those that are on Food Stamps or WIC by stating that I don't believe that considerations should drive any sort of decision one way or another. Whole Foods is a successful corporation that sees something in the locations their targeting. Simple as that.

And...."walk a mile in their shoes"....what are you, the lead singer of Everlast or something?

It's a sample cross-section of items one would buy. Is that really your gripe with this? Get a grip, pal. All this does is prove that Whole Foods would be a far better option for Charlestown. Nothing more to see here.

It's a list size that favors Johnnie's. If you buy fruit, vegetables, and meat at Johnnie's - two days is all you can hope to get out of it. Also, my wife calls Johnnie's the 4$ store. She says it seems like every vegetable she puts in the basket ends up costing 4 bucks. That's not shown here obviously, but she says it happens all the time.

Having said that, I suspect if you compared two different lists, where a person was trying to be frugal and buy sale items in the real food category (fresh fruit, vegetables, meat, bread, eggs, milk, etc.), that list would also come out really close in price. The major difference being that the Whole Foods purchase would actually last you the week.

If WF's has programs that help out the elderly I would love to hear about them? I was not aware, and would love to spread the word. People are on fixed incomes for many different reasons...although the government helps, I know people who are receiving assistance and the amount they receive wouldn't feed my cats. I am very fortunate not be in this situation and can drive wherever I please to do my shopping, unfortunately this is not true for everyone.

Miller,

Should everything be planned around people on fixed incomes? What about those of us who aren't on a fixed income? Why should we have to accept subpar meat, produce, etc? Why should we not be able to have acces to fresh, organic, healthy food in our own neighborhood? This article speaks for itself. The difference between Johnnies and WHole Foods is minimal for most of the population of Charlestown.

No. We shouldn't have to do that. I choose not to own a car, and I am willing to pay more for the quality that Whole Foods provides.

thats fine if english is your 2 or 3 language,it does not look like you are in america there, VOTE DEMOCRATS OUT

First Alby - thanks for for proving your ignorance.
Owen - Thats your prerogative and kind of misses the point of the thread of the conversations.

"thats fine if english is your 2 or 3 language"

I'm not sure tha tyou should be preaching about languages with writing skills like that.

Matt C,

It absolutely does not miss the point. If you say it does then elaborate on what you said.

Your comment came across as saying, "Shut up about Whole Foods. If you don't like Johnnies then go food shopping in Chelsea." If that's taken out of context or something, then you should elaborate on what you really meant.

Owen - I wasn't complain about whole foods, More stating that there are great alternatives for inexpensive, good quality food with in a nice environment - that is realistically convenient.. The other side of it is that if the demand for lower cost food is there then someone will come in.

I am not looking for an argument... I read the article and great for them that they donate to food shelters, donate 5% to non profit agencies who request it. Many Companies do and I am sure the community appreciates it. I am just saying the everyday people Especially the Elderly, Hardworking families who just can't afford higher prices and choose not to go to food banks, can barely afford Foodmaster never mind Whole Food's I am just saying....

Miller,

That is a cold, hard fact of life. If there are people in the community who are that hard up, then we, their fellow members of the community, should step up to help (dontate food, etc). We shouldn't be forcing people who want a better option than Johnnies to accept food on their tables that they don't consider healthy and fresh.

The building cann't be higher than Zelma Lacey. I believe it's only five stories. Also supposed to have underground parking. Don't know much of anything else.

What replaces Johnnies is still an issue. This new apartment complex is another issue.

Toonie & JAP - I recall this project from a few years back, but never recall it being that high? What connection is there between the CNC and BRA? Someone is in bed with someone!! What does MarK Rosenshein on the CNC have to do with this? He's Mr. Zoning now....Inquiring minds want to know. Hey Patch, get all Herald on their a$$es and do some investigative reporting!! Will ya??!!

******Hey Look Everyone!! The CNC and the frauds do read The Patch!! They removed all mention of posting minutes after their monthly meeting. Why would CNC REMOVE that link instead of updating the minutes? Why are they so against keeping the residents of Charlestown informed with what happens at these meetings? Wouldn't they serve us better by keeping US informed?!?! The CNC MUST GO!!! CNC MUST GO!!!!

CNC Mission Statement: "The CNC is responsible for facilitating dialogue within the Charlestown community and between the residents of Charlestown and the City of Boston, State and Local agencies and businesses" WHAT A CROCK OF $HIT!!!!

Shhh, Joseph. Keep it down, man. You're gonna get us all killed.

No way Jay. I'm onto to something here. Even Just a Person is starting to see the light, and he usually disagrees with my posts. Believe me, the more examples of how the CNC is a fraud and failure to our community, the closer we'll be to removing them. Why would they refuse to post meeting minutes? They have been hiding from the residents of Charlestown for far too long....time to start answering some questions I say!!

Wait. We have Danielle Valle-Fitzgerald!! She represents Charlestown. She's our voice to the City of Boston. Why do we need the CNC when we have a young, bright, fresh voice in City Hall?

Hey Danielle, question for you. Doesn't the CNC have to make public record the minutes of these meetings? The City gives them thousands and thousands of dollars, yet we never know the process behind 'Who gets what' and the money trail afterwards. Open up the books!! Don't they have to make their By-laws public as well? Serious question. Don't they have to be more transparent than they are?

I was kidding.

Joseph,

Have you hounded them with calls and emails? Where do they even meet?

They meet on Medford. I have, with emails, not phone calls. I've been to a few meetings, but have never addressed the frauds as to why their site isn't being updated. The fact that they removed the banner stating that minutes will be updated is proof enough that they refuse to keep the residents informed. SHADY!! Each and everyone of them. Hey Tommy Cunha - The community is onto you!! You're supposed to follow your mission statement there pal. Nice work you fraud.

If we have Danielle Valle-Fitzgerald, why do we need the CNC?

Joshua Resneck is not a journalist. That was pure garbage. Are we certain that wasn't a Letter To The Editor? If this is a professional writing such garbage, God help us all. I counted 12 paragraphs containing a total of 13 sentences. Josh, go back to school. To Josh's boss, you should be fired from your position. Glad we don't get the real news from The Bridge.

Hey Patch - How about an article about this seven story structure that was pushed through behind the backs of Charlestown residents? How can we get Suzanne Bump to look into this? Where's the I-Team? FRAUD and CORRUPTION in the CNC and BRA! Anyone hear from their precinct rep lately? Any of them ever reach out to you, or making themselves available? Where are the monthly minutes CNC?

I rad it the other day. I'm in total agreement. Absolute garbge.

Negative on Walmart. No way.