Should Charlestown Residents 'Hold' Parking Spots?
Parking is already difficult in the neighborhood, much less without two feet of snow on the ground.
In the wake of the Blizzard of 2013, parking has become unbelievably difficult between the city's parking ban, the shrinking of streets to one-lane roads, and the 10-or-more-foot high and five-foot deep piles of snow that line the streets.
Bostonians all know of the tradition in the city that when you shovel out a parking spot, you can "hold" that parking spot with a chair, trash barrel or other object for up to 48 hours after the parking ban ends.
Proponents say that the ban encourages people to do a good job clearing out their spot, knowing their hard work won't go to waste as soon as they move their car.
Opponents say that you can't claim a parking spot as "yours" just because you parked there before the blizzard.
What's your personal policy? Is there anywhere to park, between Charlestown's ongoing parking ban, the huge snow piles in the neighborhood and the spot savers? Is it your right to a parking spot after you put in the sweat and manpower necessary to clear it out? Should the city do anything to discourage this behavior?
Which streets in the Charlestown area have the highest number of "saved" spots?
Let us know in the comments below.
Joseph
11:56 am on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Absolutely, yes. You spend hours shoveling and re-shoveling after plows come through, it's your spot. Good for 48hrs after emergency has been lifted. Once 48hrs expire, free game.
Those who drive out of their spot, without shoveling and leave behind a massive amount of snow still on the street, and then leave behind a cone, no way.
Anyone see the maroon Toyota FJ Cruiser on Bartlett that took someone's spot on Sunday? I'm surprised they got away with only handwriting on the sides of the car.
Jay
1:09 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
I think it depends. While walking I notices spots saved on Terminal St. Those are no where near a residence and in my opinion shouldn't be savable. Let's face it, should someone drive around for hours when you might not be home till 7 or 8pm. On a residential street, I get it.
Just a person!
1:14 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
You can take my spot, after I have shoveled my car out and cleaned the spot , to return to it.
But, that's not to say you may have to re-shovel YOUR car out if you take my spot.
I love exercise, it would mean nothing to me to bury your BMW,
if you move my marker.
Word to the wise..thats all!
Matthew
1:51 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
If people didn't save spots, and worked together as a community to clear out cars and parking spots, then there would be no need for place markers. Unortunatey that doesn't happen so I guess they're necessary. I just can't stand the levels of hatred, violence, and vindictiveness people stoop to in these situations.
So, 48 hours from the end of the snow emergency. I guess I can get on board with that. If I had my way I'd be 6 pm tonight that all spots are "fair game", given that the outbound half of Bunker Hill St is still unusable for parking.
Anne Flink
6:51 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
I live in a "non gas light" neighborhood where we all shoveled together until we all had cleared all of our cars. We then all put our chairs, cones, tables, cardboard boxes in our individual spaces and everyone went home happy. We are respecting each others' "chairs" and hope that others will do the same. There was no hatred, violence or vindictiveness, only a community that came together and respected a lifelong neighborhood practice.
Dan
2:52 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
There's a better way, to regain the lost parking.
Have people park on odd/even sides given the day and the area the city will run the plows down to clear the parking lane. That's what they do in Boulder Colorado after the snow has stopped
Just a person!
3:18 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
That would work as well as the street cleaning!
Jillian
3:15 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
I like that Boulder, CO idea. Boston is a city, streets are public or reserved for residents. I don't think any person should be able to reserve a space - ever. We moved from Bay Village, where we all dug out and very few reserved spaces. It was much less stressful than returning home from work stressing about the hundreds of public spaces you cannot park in. There are not enough spaces for everyone as it is, so you live in a city, you choose to live here - dig yourself out and move on.
Joseph
3:50 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
For sake of a healthy discussion, I would be curious to know your (and others) thoughts on whether homeowners vs tenants would have a "greater" claim when it comes to reserving spots after a snow emergency has been declared? As a homeowner, I pay far more in taxes than someone who rents. Should a homeowner have a "greater" claim to street parking than someone who doesn't own? I'm not saying homeowners are better than tenants, even though that is how it will be construed. It's obvious what my stance is, but I'm curious to know what others think? I'm not so sure even I believe that homeowners have more rights, but it does beg the question.
Just a person!
3:26 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Yes Jillian
I live in the city and, I choose to, but I also pay taxes, being a home owner,not a tenant!
So with that said, I feel if I have lived in my house for 60 odd years, and have had understanding neighbors and also home owners, that we have paid property tax on. That yes, we think we should be able to reserve the spot that we spent the time to clear in front of OUR property, not to have a tenant of a apartment house, with their multiple friends staying over,parking and leaving their cars for days.and then just pull out without clearing the spot and come back and pull into a spot that a home owner has cleared out.
Joseph
3:53 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Damn JAP - We think too much alike.
mm
3:26 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Keep ur space for 48hrs! You spend out shoveling and reshoveling , so why should you have to give it up to someone who did nothing. You can say park on opposite sides, but be honest with yourself we couldn't even get sidewalks plowed never mind the streets. Realistically you dig it you keep it. If you dont like that why dont you try actually being the one who does all the work instead of the one who steals others! If you did the work youi would see where the rest of us were coming from!
Christina
4:00 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
After I spent all day Saturday shoveling enough space to walk down my street and up to civilization, I realized the unwritten 48 hour rule was totally justified. I get it- people are tired... come home from work, drive around, can't find a spot. Sorry.. I deal with that every day when all the stay at home people and those with early schedules beat me to my space and I have to walk 15 minutes in the dark alone. So... I'm small, I beat myself up shoveling everyone's walkways, plus mine, plus my parking space, plus I pay a ton of taxes for owning... then I waited until today to get my street plowed. I love helping people and therefore I think I am entitled to my space for a couple of days in return for that!
Just a person!
7:20 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Hear! Hear!
Jillian
4:30 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
I'm confused as to how it was determined that I'm a tenant, we bought a single family home in Charlestown in June. We were also homeowners in Bay Village. I just think it's part of city living to deal with things like shoveling and street parking. I am also fairly young so maybe it would be different if I were older and more accustomed to the rule of space saving. I think the city would be more appealing to young families if the mayor would abolish old and unwelcoming rules like space saving. We are in this together. Maybe it's a good idea for resident only parking during snowstorms. Those are my thoughts and I do not think you can put renters in a different tier, they pay hefty rents and their landlords pay taxes. That's my opinion.
Just a person!
7:25 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Jillian,
How about you clear out a space either at your house or mine, and I will let one of my neighbors that don't have a spot park there, and then! When someone else takes that spot you come down again and shovel another spot so I can have that one, and so on and so on.
4ssa
5:05 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
As a Charlestown home owner who lives on a street with no parking, I too like the space saver rule. While parking my car back in it's spot today, I saw a person in an old beat up black Ford pick-up slowly driving down Phipps Street with a truck load of metal beach chairs, metal frames and other bits and pieces. If you get home tonight and find your beach chair missing and someone in your spot, please don't jump to the obvious conclusions. I reported it to the police and saw them actively looking for him.
Just a person!
7:28 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Put things that you can't get rid of out there, like old tv sets, toilets and anything else that the city won't pick up, that's the wy to get rid of it..
But, do not put aluminum chairs or metal object out there, to many scrapers collecting metal.
Anne Flink
8:15 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
It's trash night. I saw it happen a couple of years ago. Might be opportunistic but I'm more inclined to think it's a misunderstanding. Put out your old computer terminals, paint cans, etc. Saves a trip to West Roxbury to get rid of them.
Matthew
5:35 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Joseph,
No, homeowners should not have more privileges than renters. I am in the military, and I transfer every four years. Owning a home would be difficult for me once I transfer. So I would not stand for having someone, perhaps someone who hasn't served, have more rights and privileges than me simpley because thay own a home. And yes, I would make a huge stink about it.
Just a person!
7:33 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Matthew,
I am also a vetran, and I do believe you have a privilege that some renters don't, you can have your car registered in any state and still get a resident sticker for Charlestown or any other resident permit parking area!
Thank you for your service.
And we are not talking privileges we are talking about a right for a mere 48 hours of their service of shoveling to have a parking spot!
Joseph
9:47 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
Matthew - Thank you for your service. I hope you enjoy your time here in Charlestown. I know you will. These "privileges" are strictly about saving a spot after hours of shoveling, nothing more. I understand what you're saying, but let's just agree to disagree. G'day.
Matthew
10:22 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
Joseph,
Perhaps I'm reading this wrong, but it seems that there is a presumption that renters didn't also spend hours digging their sidewalks and cars out. I get that some land lords do snow removal, but not all. I know plenty of renters who handle their own shoveling. I think we actually agree. Spend hours shoveling, save the spot.
Joseph
12:16 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
Matthew - Yes, we agree. And no, I'm not implying that.
It sort of goes back to something told to me many moons ago, when I first moved here - The spot in front of your house was your spot. That's where you parked. Obviously, that doesn't hold water any longer and I don't expect that, but it was an interesting thought.
Matthew
5:42 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
JAP,
Easy there, buddy. Please don't think you're more entitled because you own a home. See my response to Joseph ,who got that discussion going.
Matthew
5:49 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Do we really nee to get a homeonwer/renter debate started. I stated my case in response to Joseph. I will not abide entitled attitudes from homeowners. I worked just as hard digging out.
Matthew
8:16 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
JAP,
Do you have an issue with active duty military being able to register their car to any state in the country? It's that way to make life just a bit easier for those who sacrifice so much. You served so I'm sure you know.
I worked just as hard as any homeowner to dig my way out. And as far as your comment about renters with friends staying over, it brings to mind images of a bunch of lazy twenty somethings who just don't care. Hopefully that is not your mental image of renters. My wife and I are in our mid thirties and have established careers.
I think the bottom line is that renter or homeowner, if you put the sweat equity in, you claim the spot for a little while. I think we can all agree on that.
Just a person!
10:28 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Did you read something that I didn't write?
Where in any of my posts that I stated I had an issue with active duty personnel?
I stated that they have a privilege that many renters do not have, and or visitors.
I personally wish they would do away with resident parking, but that is another issue.
It was also in my post I thanked you for your service.
Don't read into things that are not there!
Matthew
7:42 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
Why do discussions on the internet always go this direction? I ASKED you if you have an issue with that. Just a question, nothing more. I didn't make any blanket presumptions about you.
Have a nice day.
P.S.
Thank you for your service as well.
Just a person!
7:31 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
Everybody will be all set today, they finally lifted the parking ban.
Velvet Jones
1:08 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
You shovel the spot it's yours for a couple of days, then it's fair game. As far as Matthew goes , I think the same goes for you, you shouldn't use the ''I served, you didn't '' card , a lot of us didn't have to , or couldn't or didn't for whatever reason and still ''serve'' our country somehow. The person that shoveled the spot gets preference, period, whether they are a home owner, boat owner renter, serviceman, or member of the freakin Taliban, it's theirs.
Matthew
1:22 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
I never said "I served, you didn't". I just said that I've given far too much service, as have all people who have served, to stand down to someone who thinks that because they are a homeowner that somehow they are superior. Yes, I have run into that tpye of arrogance in the past in several of the many places I've lived in this country.
This might ruffle the feathers of certain people, but those who have served in the armed forces deserve a special place in this country. They aspired to the highest of callings. Unfortunately, too many people in the U.S. shrug off military service as if it amounts to nothing. That's just the way it is.
Jillian
8:58 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013
Do we really want toilet seats and televisions along our streets? It's incredibly tacky as it is.
Plenty O'Toole
7:08 am on Friday, February 15, 2013
Somebody "Serve" me up a burger!
Jay
11:29 am on Friday, February 15, 2013
A couple of observations about Charlestown...It's very urban, yet tons of people have cars. No, too many people have cars. Would this work in NYC? Definitely not. Well Charlestown is very densely packed. There are a lot of people that should be using car-sharing services and renting from Enterprise on the weekend. Having a car in such a dense area is a pain in the ass, and it should be. While public transit isn't fun, it's the way of the world in cities, but the more people think they can have both, the more traffic and parking issues created. The city should definitely do a better job plowing, but people shouldn't be able to expect parking here anyway. On the issue of owners deserve more, that's crap. Renters help pay people's mortgages. In a down economy, people don't sell they rent. Imagine the issue if they didn't, more people would have lost there homes-be thankful for renters...well at least the good ones. Keep in mind also that owners can refinance, pay off their credit card debt and then essentially get a tax deduction on their credit card interest. There are a lot of advantages to being an owner, but you don't get first right on parking spaces because of that. Sure, I get that people should need a resident sticker to park and people with significant others, friends and family shouldn't even think about parking in Charlestown when there is a snow storm, but renters live here and contribute too.
Jay
11:36 am on Friday, February 15, 2013
Maybe parking permits in this town should be a function of size of the vehicle? Maybe more people would have smaller cars. No, I don't care about the size of your family either because many people have families and don't have a car...you use more, you pay more. There is a sense of entitlement in this town and it isn't just coming from Yuppies...it definitely comes from the Townies as well. You live so close to one of the oldest cities in the nation...parking being a hassle is a given.
oneofseven
2:13 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
WAH WAH WAH, Why cant we all get along..........Now here's a topic for you all to bicker about. What about the person that owns the house on the private way. They pay just as much taxes as the next person BUT,,,,DOES NOT, I repeat DOES NOT receive any city plowing services. They shovel and shovel and yet their neighboring "NEIGHBORS" on the abuting streets feel that they can shovel their snow in to the private way, not only blocking the WAY but basically, you have to shovel again, God forbid the police or fire had to get down there. Also the city plows dropping their snow there. Or in the nice weather having to deal with your LOVELY NEIGHBORS weekly trash barrells and bags lined up across the mouth of this Private Way. What? You dont think that this is right? Whats the matter you dont like picking up and dodging other peoples dirty trash barrells after working all day? Oh and yes i am a lifelong townie and being nice didnt help, arguing wouldnt solve anything, so YES I pick and choose my battles and just hope what goes around comes around. Theres certainly more than one way to skin a cat. I know some of you would have done things VERY differently, and trust me the thought has crossed my mind many many times, BUT lifes too short and Karma is a very very funny thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oneofseven
4:33 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
BTW, now just relax ur slacks, BUT, my opinion is this.................you shovel it you own it for 48 hrs, providing #1 you have a Res Prk Sticker and #2, that you ACTUALLY shoveled out that spot....................